Reluctant pride
08 October 2014
Moen jo Daro |
Harappa |
Labels: Archeology, Balochistan, History, Sindh
posted by Salman Rashid @ 00:00,
17 Comments:
- At 8 October 2014 at 13:48, said...
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We, the muslims, can not afford the history before Bin Qasim, only around 1300 years ago. How can we tolerate history more than 1400 years old!
- At 8 October 2014 at 13:57, Lahoremassagist said...
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How can we pride in our glorious past when we are happy with the status quo - how worst it may be?
- At 8 October 2014 at 13:58, Lahoremassagist said...
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How can we pride in our glorious past when we are happy with the status quo - how worst it may be?
- At 8 October 2014 at 14:04, said...
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I like to believe that in my veins and in yours there runs a mixture of those two ancient bloods. We are descendants of those amazing people who founded one of the greatest and longest lasting civilizations the world has yet known.
Beautiful Lines Indeed - At 9 October 2014 at 18:55, Unknown said...
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Pipal is a lovely way to reconnect to our ancient roots. Our ancestors were one hell of people because they're peaceful, practiced sustainability and showed organization. Marvelous!!!
- At 11 October 2014 at 13:32, said...
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Sir,
Again an excellent piece.
It may surprise some of us to find out that many of the Buddhist scholars identify some of the archaeological evidence found at Indus Valley Civilisation sites, is also of particular religious significance to Buddhism. This includes the symbols like the Bodhi tree (Pipal Tree) and animals such as the elephant and deer. Perhaps most important being the discovery of several images of figures sitting in cross-legged postures with their hands resting on their knees, with their eyes narrowed, half-closed, in postures of meditation as practiced by Buddha.
Interestingly, the Buddhist scholars also state that The Buddha Himself indicated the Indus Valley origins of His tradition when He said that the path which He taught was an ancient path and the goal to which He pointed to was an ancient goal. The Buddhists belief in six Buddhas prior to the Buddha Shakyamuni within this aeon, they state is indicative of this fact. The Buddhist scholars state that all these point to a continuity between the tradition of the Indus Valley Civilization and the teachings of the Buddha.
The mystique that is hidden at the core of Pakistan's earliest history is so intriguing and romantic that the more one reads into it, the more one falls in love with it.
Regards.
Sufyan. - At 11 October 2014 at 13:48, Salman Rashid said...
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Sound observations, Sufyan. Thank you very much for enlightening all of us.
- At 13 October 2014 at 16:19, Pat said...
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Dear Salman,
On your point on Aryan invasion, may I suggest that after the decoding of the human genome, it has been conclusively proven by as many as 12 separate studies in Europe, India and US, that there was no Aryan invasion. If anything, the genetic material flowed the other way, i.e. from Africa to India and Pakistan, and from there to Europe and Asia. These conclusions have been drawn after path-breaking researches on the mitochondrial DNA from across the subcontinent.
Sure, Alexander did invade, but that did not leave any large genetic imprint on populations. But the so-called 4000 year old Aryan hordes - they actually never came.
You may want to Google it. It made me ponder, and after 2 years of mulling over it, many things are clearer in my mind. Happy Googling!!!
:-)
regards,
Pat - At 14 October 2014 at 16:23, Salman Rashid said...
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Hi there Pat. We spoke earlier on this subject. I don't google, please. I read books. I'll now seriously look for a book on the subject. But thank you very much.
- At 16 October 2014 at 09:21, Pat said...
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Hello Salman! yes, we had discussed Jain philosophy earlier. Since you do not Google, here's a link to Michel Danino's paper:
http://archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/genetics-aryan-debate
Since this is a new debate not many books exist outside of academia. Stephen Oppenheimer's The Real Eve is one, perhaps.
I've read one more paper by researchers in BHU, but I could not locate it now. Will send you the link later.
Cheers! - At 16 October 2014 at 18:42, said...
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Pat the link you mentioned, refers to Pakistan separately; I find that very odd. Especially Figure 1. and that Pakistan is so very distant (genetically) from the Indians and Punjabis. I hope you know more that 60% of Pakistan's Population is Punjabis.
You may want to go through the link below to give you a different side of the picture:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/2633384/1/
Cheers! - At 17 October 2014 at 10:10, Pat said...
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Rehan, the link I sent was to show that there is emerging evidence against the theory of 'Aryan' invasion. There is a lot of Nazi obfuscation around the origins of this myth. Its only now that researchers are getting around it. But that's another story.
The link that you sent is for the theses that Indian population is an admixture of Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Dravids. This theory has been proven wrong because it has been found that the M and the U haplogroups are the second oldest after east Africa. In other words its like saying that my grandfather has inherited genes from my son.
The second point of the genetic study (which is far from over, actually), is that the gene pool in India is mixed and is indigenous. That is to say, the Adivasis, the southern Indian, the Northern Indian, the Kutchis, Kashmiris, Punjabis, all have the same genetic markers. Which means that there was no 'Aryan' invasion and that the genetic pool of most of the subcontinent is indigenous despite the various theories put forward, starting from Max Mueller about the emergence of the caste system.
These are very big points. Much may change as we discover more genetic evidence. Its exciting times for not just for anthropologists but also for people like me who want to understand culture, language, mythology and rituals. - At 15 February 2015 at 21:44, Unknown said...
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Hi
Indus valley civilization was a Vedic civilization. The roots of IVC lies in the east of Sindhu at the banks of lost river Saraswati of deep antiquity.
Archeologists have found 900 pre harappan sites dating back as early as 8000BC in Haryana & Rajasthan.
Saraswati is mentioned in Rig Veda as the mother of Vedic civilization. Pakis are the descendants of Vedics & if they are bold enough to accept this fact than definitely they are a part of a continous ancient civilization which is way more glorious & mystical than egyptian, arabic or sumerian!
There was No aryan invasion, We Indians are the oldest & most civilized civilization founded by the Aryans themselves. - At 1 June 2015 at 21:30, said...
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There was no invasion by any Aryan horde.So lets put a stop to the Aryan invasion theory for all times.
- At 2 June 2015 at 14:52, Salman Rashid said...
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Anonymous before yousay this show me one, just one, pure Aryan skull dating back to Moen jo Daro, Harappa or Mehrgarh. Since you cannot, you stop believing in fairy tales. The same goes for Seema Kapoor.
- At 25 December 2018 at 09:35, Unknown said...
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The recent ancient DNA research of year 2018 seems to prove the Aryan theory..
- At 26 December 2018 at 10:17, Salman Rashid said...
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Thank you, Samuel Premkumar.
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